Yeah i get what u saying, fair enough

More over regarding the phrase: “Past genetic studies, though on a limited scale, have suggested that Greek and Turkish Cypriots are genetically closer to each other than they are with their respective “mother countries”.” Of course this has to be a big truth, as a large number of the Turkish Cypriots turned into Muslims at some point of history which was a common practice in the Ottoman Empire with populations and individuals seeking a better life. And accounting the fact that we’ve been living together for so long, there is again no surprise for being “genetically closer”.

By the way, no one argues on the cultural similarities that we have with the Turkish Cypriots, but do not forget that they have been -up until the Turkish invasion- an 18% minority, so it’s quite obvious considering also the facts of the previews paragraph what has happened. As for the use of Turkish words, it’s not proving much, as Turkish words have been assimilated to almost all the languages used within the Ottoman Empire.

You can take it as an early form of globalization. I guess our far descendants, even though we’ve been adopting quite a lot of English words in our everyday life, won’t claim ethnological similarities neither with the British, nor with Americans, Canadians or Australians, right?

As for the question if we will or won’t become part of Greece, this is not of my interest for the moment. There are other more important issues that I am concerned of; mainly those have to do with a systematic approach of some circles to question our roots and our history. So as far as I can unmask their malicious and cruel intentions, I will do so.

I don’t quite understand what you mean by a “filthy 5.8%”, Nick Bats. In any case the research shows that 1 in 17 have a Phoenician direct male-line ancestor, but who knows how many Cypriots have Phoenician blood coursing through their veins. This is neither a good thing nor a bad thing, nor is there anything filthy about it. It just is.

To Marinos: true, we do have the same traditions and beliefs as Greeks. With all respect, I will ignore the fact that we have the same national anthem- that is something irrelevant, I believe, because all we did was swipe the Greek anthem.

But also, don’t forget that we have many cultural similarities with Turkish Cypriots, we share many similar words and have a very similar cuisine.

At the end of the day, we are definitely allowed to consider ourselves Greek and be proud of this. But I think we’re wasting our time if we keep focusing on this. Above all we are Cypriots and Cyprus will never be a part of Greece no matter how much some people might want it to. We should work on protecting and developing our national identity as Cypriots as well as preserving the cultural traditions we share with Greeks.

Life might be a little easier once we get over our identity disorder…

But let’s stay calm and enjoy the memorable article of Mr Elias Hazou, who as it seams has put up a pretty good show in order to justify his payroll(s). The author turns to make quite a lot of unjustifiable assumptions, leading to false verdicts over the topic.

It seams like the author is struggling to outflank the readers’ subconscious by repeating a “research says you’re not Greek” patent but without sufficient evidence. This patent can be found quite frequently in the “article”; here follows a list with quoted phrases that mach this patent:

1) “Genetic detective work could snap the Greek link”

2) “Conventional wisdom has it that we Cypriots are descended primarily from the ancient Greeks. That assumption, though still holding up, could now be challenged by DNA research into our genetic makeup.”

3) “Depending on the outcome, this research could open a Pandora’s Box were it found that the Greek element is not as strong as once thought. No doubt certain circles would be embarrassed if the results were not the “right ones”.”

Certainly this guy has a touch when it comes to provide his services… But what do the actual figures of the research prove? Let me quote the only phrase in the whole article that references to something actually measurable:

“Recent genetic research carried out in Lebanon and other locations around the Mediterranean basin has shown that one in 17 people in Cyprus may have a Phoenician direct male-line ancestor.”

Oh my lord! What dose that “1 in 17 people” mean? By incorporating simple math, that means that approximately 5,8% of the sample have a Phoenician direct male-line ancestor… What a joke! So that filthy 5,8% according Mr Elias Hazou justifies him to use phrases like “snap the Greek link” and “the Greek element is not as strong as once thought”!

Anyway, I can keep on criticizing both the author and some aspects of the research, but my time is far more important. I just want to point out to Mr Elias Hazou and his fans that when you assume and try to adjust the actual facts to an artificial truth, you make an ass out of you and your payroll…

PS: the foul article can be found here http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=42666&cat_id=9

So, maybe we’re Cypriots above all. It doesn’t mean we need to forget our culture, language or religion, but perhaps we tend to focus too much on “Greekness” and not enough on developing a Cypriot identity. And perhaps we don’t need to feel Greek in order to be proud of who we are.

Just a thought…

GMAN i dont know what u were thinking when u were writing the post and especially comparing the attitudes during sports between Greeks and Cypriots, it’s out of Point and when u said
” dont think they would have treated us that bad if we were in turkey. ” That’s so wrong man!
Do you know that there is an embargo of Cypriots going there unless there is a reason to go?
Do you know that Turks have been messing around with the Greeks for Centuries,obviously with Cyprus too and especially after the war u think that they wont treat us that bad?? pls man…

I would also like to say that greeks were also called ”grekoi”which means slaves so this is why we have the word Greece, but if u noticed Greece in national events is called HELLAS
Anwy, i would like to say that Cypriots are Greeks as well for the reasons that explained in the previous post…. after all we have the same customs, beliefs, traditions and NATIONAL ANTHEM!!

As Chris said, u need to get ur facts right, but the fact that you are not a Cypriot it kinda excuses u a bit….

Just a reminder for those who forget where in the world they live…

CONSTITUTION OF THE REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS
PART I. GENERAL PROVISIONS
ARTICLE 1
“The State of Cyprus is an independent and sovereign Republic with a presidential regime, the President being Greek and the VicePresident being Turk elected by the Greek and the Turkish Communities of Cyprus respectively as hereinafter in this Constitution provided”.

Whether you like it or not there is a provision in the Constitution of the Republic of Cyprus (APPENDIX D – PART I, Article 4, Paragraph 3) stating: “The Communal authorities and institutions shall have the right to fly on holidays together with the flag of the Republic either the Greek or the Turkish flag at the same time”.

This “holiday provision” has become a de facto everyday practice after the Turkish invasion. That is why we, the Greeks of Cyprus, demand the reuse of both flags on the public buildings and schools of the Republic. We want this not in disrespect of the flag of the Republic, but as our rightful claim to simultaneously fly our National flag on the side of the State flag of the Republic which according the Constitution of the Republic of Cyprus (APPENDIX D – PART I, Article 4, Paragraph 1) has a “neutral design and colour” in order to represent both the Greek and the Turkish communities.

If you really think that the problem keeps on because “People argue over stupid things, like the Greek and Turkish flags”, ask a Turkish Cypriot to raise the flag of the Republic, will he do it? Also ask the relatives of Solomos Solomou and Tasos Isaak what for did those two young patriots died… for the flag of the Republic? Try to find out which flag was on their coffins…

The simplicity in which you try to degrade the Cyprus Problem as “a problem of flags” is a clear proof of your foolishness along with great lack of both historical and geopolitical awareness. I do not give a shit if you are Cypriot by blood or not, as far as you respect the community in which you have been raised and living. Your sayings are disregarding the Constitution of the Republic of Cyprus posing a clear blasphemy by cursing the National symbols and the National identity of the Greek Community. You seam to forget that you are benefiting from the efforts and struggles of the Greek Community of Cyprus.

By consulting the Constitution of the Republic of Cyprus (APPENDIX D – PART I, Article 1) we can mark out some notable provisions:

“(1)the Greek Community comprises all citizens of the Republic who are of Greek origin and whose mother tongue is Greek or who share the Greek cultural traditions or who are members of the Greek Orthodox Church;”
…
“(3) citizens of the Republic who do not come within the provisions of paragraph (1) or (2) of this Article shall, within three months of the date of the coming into operation of this Constitution, opt to belong to either the Greek or the Turkish Community as individuals”
…
“(4) a person who becomes a citizen of the Republic at any time after three months of the date of the coming into operation of this Constitution shall exercise the option provided in paragraph (3) of this Article within three months of the date of his so becoming a citizen”
…

G Man: “I also remember traveling to Athens this summer for the FIRST time. I was there for a sporting event. Greeks were passing by our hotel shouting and calling us dirty f’ing cypriots etc. Even the police treated us extremely bad. I dont think they would have treated us that bad if we were in turkey.”

You are so pathetic, the Greek rival teams call AEK funs “Turks”, PAOK funs “Bulgars” etc… Greek police always treats with an extremely bad manner the away funs WHOEVER they are… You are a filthy provocateur… And whoever doubts, can ask the thousands of Cypriots studding at the Greek Universities how do they feel and how they are treated whilst in Greece…

PS: Inztinkt I demand all indecent remarks regarding the Greek flag and about the Greek revolution quotation to be removed asap.

The presidential elections just came to my mind. The rallies of Xristofkias in the closed arena in polemidia. So many people. So many flags of Cyprus. Only flags of Cyprus. I felt pride, even though i am not cypriot by blood, i was born and raised here. Its for this exact reason that the Cyprus problem doesnt get solved. People argue over stupid things, like the Greek and Turkish flags, instead of finding a peaceful way to resolve this. At the end of the day id wipe my ass with ANY flag if it was to bring peace to our communities. They lived peacefully before the war, we can do so now.

I also remember traveling to Athens this summer for the FIRST time. I was there for a sporting event. Greeks were passing by our hotel shouting and calling us dirty f’ing cypriots etc. Even the police treated us extremely bad. I dont think they would have treated us that bad if we were in turkey.

Im not saying Greeks are bad. Im just saying were two different people. So no, my flag is the flag of Cyprus. Not the blue and white flag that has the Holy Cross of Jesus on it, and at the same time shouts, hidden in its lines, ELEUTHERIA I THANATOS, FREEDOM OR DEATH.

***edited to remove the calling of the Greek flag a tool of propaganda.